RFC: -server packges universe demotions and main package promotion

The Ubuntu Server team would like to get your feedback on whether the packages listed below should be demoted to universe or promoted to main.

Since Lucid is an LTS release the Ubuntu Server team conducted a critical review of the current contents of the server related seeds in order to free some space on the -server CD and to reduce the number of packages we’ll be maintaining for 5 years. Some packages are not necessary, might be abandoned and thus should be demoted to universe. Some packages are brought up in main by recommends while they should just be suggested. Some very useful packages are missing and should be promoted to main.

The list of packages considered is tracked in a wiki page and included below.  You can either edit the wiki page with your comments or reply to this thread.

Proposed universe demotions

  • nis
  • elinks
  • lm-sensors
  • sensord
  • cricket
  • radvd
  • logwatch: logcheck provides the same functionality
  • vlock
  • lilo
  • libxp6
  • redhat-cluster-suite: not properly maintained
  • virt-manager
  • backuppc: bacula is the backup solution in main
  • racoon
  • ipsec-tools
  • siege
  • minicom: cu is tiny and trivial to support, but doesn’t support error correction
  • openssh-blacklist, openssl-blacklist: needs further consideration by cjwatson
  • analog: awstats is also in main – upstream much more active.
  • nut-hal-drivers: see Halsectomy

Proposed main promotions

  • oidentd
  • tdb-tools: for samba cluster
  • ctdb: for samba cluster
  • acl
  • nginx: 6.21 percent market share according to Netcraft
  • kernel-package: remove from -server iso

Proposed Recommends downgrades

  • kernel-package: remove from -server iso (stays in main thanks to platform.lucid/supported-development).

4 Responses to “RFC: -server packges universe demotions and main package promotion”

  1. remix_tj Says:

    I think radvd should not be demoted because in future IPv6 will encrease his usage and this advertising daemon will require a proper maintenance…

  2. Yann Says:

    Hello, is there any other place where these can be discussed? I am told on the wiki that bacula is to be removed as there is Bacula, however I believe these are two very different tools: bacula is for backup to tape, backuppc for backup to disk. They are two very different tools, we use both – and I don’t know if every company can afford tapes… On top of this backuppc has a nice GUI and is a LOT easier to setup. It works quite well, why is it being proposed for demotion?

    Also concerned by virt-manager – it surely isnt perfect, but then it’s the only GUI for libvirt ubuntu proposes. If Ubuntu wants to be taken seriously in the cloud/virtualisation sector surely it should propose a graphical frontend?

  3. Aaron C. de Bruyn Says:

    radvd, virt-manager, and backuppc are my picks to stay.

    Like remix_tj said, as IPv6 becomes more prevalent, this package will be needed more and more. I already used it on a handful of firewall machines.

    Is virt-manager being replaced by something else, or simply demoted to universe? I’m comfortable using virsh, but a handful of staff members wouldn’t be…

    Lastly, while I’ve never investigated bacula (maybe it’s time I check it out), backuppc has never given me a reason to stray. It does an awesome job and has a great web interface for monitoring backups–plus, I can make it very easy for end-users to restore their own files, take backups before doing something risky, etc…

    I know these packages will all be available in universe, so I’m not really worried. Isn’t the main difference between a ‘main’ package and a universe package Canonical offering paid support for it?

  4. Martin Emrich Says:

    Please keep lm-sensors in main, it is used by many server monitoring systems like Nagios, Munin or Cacti.

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